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Dietz Offers His Side of the Angie’s List and Yelp Reviews Lawsuit

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Mon, Dec 17,2012 @ 09:32 AM

Dietz Offers His Side of the Angie’s List and Yelp Reviews Lawsuit

Chris Dietz Sues Jane Perez

 

 

I spoke with Chris Dietz on Saturday December 15th 2012.  He seemed very upbeat about the attention he has been getting from the media as well as his peers in the construction and remodeling industries regarding his lawsuit against Jane Perez due to her reviews on Angie's List and Yelp. 

He had posted the comment below on line at Leah Thayer’s Daily 5 Remodel and gave me permission to post it here at the Design/Builders Blog.  I offered my support to Chris for what he is doing and complemented him on the professional approach he has demonstrated online and in the media.   He shared that he hoped his lawsuit would make a positive difference for other remodeling contractors as well as all business.

 

Chris Dietz's side of the story in his own words:

I am a member of NARI, NARI-Metro DC. Thanks to a vendor I use, one of their staff is on the recruitment committee, and suggested I join. One of the best business decisions I ever made. I love my chapter and all it does for me and my fellow contractors (trainings, product demos etc).

I will not make much in the way of comments, due to litigation still in progress. Her is a bit of my side:

The issue here is simple, the client crossed the line of opinion, and into the realm of defamation. I contacted Yelp and Angieslist, with documents (legal ones, countering the defendants postings), and they refused to remove or alter the postings. I was told I had two options, 1-poster removed their own post , or 2-a judge's order removing/altering the posts. My hand was forced in filing a lawsuit. It is a true shame, that myself, and other businesses, in our line of work and others, are forced to take defamatory type comments, and just live with them, based on what everyone says. The response usually is, hey just get more positive comments. Easily said, I usually do full renovation or larger type work. SO if Iose 1 customer, my revenue can drop dramatically and ruin my entire year.

I had nothing to do with the work that was showed in the pictures. Compare the pictures shown in the press, to my portfolio. Not even close.

We need to push for legislation to change provision 230 of the CDA-Communication Decency Act, and also hold Yelp and Angieslist accountable ( and all other ISPs) for the way they permit postings and review them. Yelp is more at fault, as they claim, algorithms are to blame for the negative posts being public, and your positives being filtered. YET, for a fee, Yelp miraculously offers to fix this(Yes, I did receive a sales pitch).....Angieslist, is far better in this area.

Yes, I can really use help in paying my legal bills, as the case is far from over. Feel free to contact me privately via my Facebook page, Dietz Development. Also, there you can see that my work portfolio, is so far higher in quality, than the pictures that have been shown to the public. I sincerely appreciate the moral support I have received, and I am very determined to work with NARI-local and national, and our industry to make changes so this cannot happen to someone else.

Chris Dietz, Dietz Development

 

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Topics: Dietz Lawsuit Related, Marketing Considerations

Prospects Need A New Process For Coming To A Buying Decision

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Mon, Dec 17,2012 @ 06:00 AM

Remodeling Prospects Need A New Process For Coming To A Buying Decision

Make remodeling decisions

 

 

 

Consumers need a new process for coming to a decision.  This definitely includes consumers considering remodeling projects at their homes. They can no longer assume they will increase the value of their home just because they remodel.  Even low price might not be a compelling reason to buy.  They need new reasons to go forward, and it becomes the salesperson’s job to help them find those reasons. 

Every consumer must go through due diligence before making a buying decision and this is further complicated because each one will have a different path; one that is personal to them.  They are journeying into new areas and might not even know how or where to get started.  The new remodeling salesman must be a decision engineer, methodically guiding consumers through their specific emotional and intellectual considerations relative to making a confident buying decision. 

Notice I said guide them

Shortening the remodeling sales cycle

 

They must feel like the decision and the process they went through was their own and that they didn’t miss anything that should have been considered.   The old school approach of telling or convincing a prospect what to do will no longer work.  Once they come to realize a process for making their decision, the salesman must then become a trusted adviser, with the knowledge and ability to offer appropriate design, product and project delivery options. 

 

The consumer has come to expect options

LBM Sales Rep helps remodelerManufacturers can and should provided information and education relative to product options, differences and price points.  Retailers selling to remodelers should be getting this information from their distributor and manufacturer reps.  The entire supply chain should be sharing this information with contractors through trade shows, educational events and personal interaction.  

To improve sales and ultimately business results, I suggest remodelers find good retailers to do business with who will provide this information; then attend their offerings and study up.

 

 

Topics: New Business Realities, Sales, Project Meetings, Success Strategies, Sales Considerations, Differentiating your Business, Plans and Specifications

Contractors and Remodelers: Decide Your Niche and Then Go Get It!

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Sun, Dec 16,2012 @ 06:00 AM

Contractors and Remodelers: Decide Your Niche and Then Go Get It!

Choosing a Remodeling Niche

 

Choosing a niche for your remodeling business should be done with care and can include much more than most remodelers might realize.  When I ask remodelers what their niche is, most cite just one characteristic, typically a work type, such as windows, kitchens or historical renovations.  Rather, I suggest remodelers consider many characteristics when establishing a niche. 

The idea is to assemble the ideal niche or niches for your business.  To do this at my own business I used the five “W’s”; who, what, when, where and why to help me.  By thinking back about past clients and their projects, I filtered out and then assembled the characteristic that consistently lead us to successful and profitable projects with customer we enjoyed working with.

Who

Targeting Remodeling CustomersLooking back our ideal customer was a middle aged middle market married couple, both working with either very young or high school age children.  These people worked hard to earn their money and therefore respected the fact that my employees and I also worked hard to earn our money.  They looked at my employees as partners in the project, not nail bangers.  Due to the age of their children, they had little time to do their own work, they didn’t want to move or change school systems, and they typically needed more space at their homes.  Unlike wealthier clients I had worked for, these clients would say; “I know I will owe you the next payment on Monday, but I won’t be here.  Can I pay you today”?  I never had to use my line of credit to finance their projects because waiting for a stock dividend delayed progress payment.

What

Marketing help for remodelersThese clients needed additions to their homes, but we didn’t want just an addition.  We wanted an addition with a kitchen and/or a bathroom.  We came to find that simple family room or bedroom additions came with too much competition from laid off framers or inexperienced low price remodelers.  If the project included a kitchen and or a bathroom, most low price completion lacked the skills to design and build the project.  We also found that these projects, because of the baths and kitchens, were material and sub contractor intensive.  We found it easier to mark up and manage more materials and subs, rather than more labor.  We also found they brought in more gross profit in less time than labor intensive projects.

When:

Strategic Marketing for RemodelersWe purposely timed our marketing for addition work relative to the New England weather realities as well as the typical lead time required to sell, design and permit additions.  The idea was to get foundations in the ground and shells constructed before the weather made it impossible or impractical to work in the cold.  Using similar tactics, we marketed in advance for Kitchens, baths, attics and basement remodels to fill the cold months.  We marketed these projects to the same client type.  The attics and basements typically included bathrooms.

 

Where:

Remodeler NichesAs the business grew and competition increased within our market, we decided to expand our footprint.  Through experience and detailed job costing we came to see that commuting more than 30 minutes from our office typically lead to increased costs, compromised supervision on projects, a dip in client satisfaction and therefore a dip in referrals.  We also found it ideal to work on homes built in the 60’s or later.  These homes were built with standard lumber sizes, drywall rather than horse hair plaster, PVC drain lines rather than cast iron, copper water supplies and poured concrete foundations.  These homes were easier to work on, they made it easier to anticipate and estimate costs and they were typically one of many similar homes within concentrated subdivisions.  By marketing to target home owners in target neighborhoods within 30 minutes of our office, we attracted addition projects in high exposure locations, leading to more work and more referrals in those same areas.

 

Why

Marketing ideas for remodelersTo me the why was the easy part.  The why’s were all the benefits my business came to enjoy as a result of defining our ideal niches, the biggest being improved profitability.  If you concentrate your efforts in a defined area, you and your team naturally become better and more competent at what you do, leading to improved efficiency across your business.  We realized efficiency in our marketing efforts because we knew who and what to market for and how to get their attention.  Estimating and sales also became simplified because projects and clients were very similar.  It was easier to find and train good employees and subs because the work types were fairly consistent and the clients were almost always a pleasure to work with.  Because we could successfully deliver the right projects to the right people we enjoyed a steady flow of high quality referrals.   Because, because, because…

 

Just like the Dating Game?

Choosing the right customers

 

Think of defining your niche as being similar to defining your ideal spouse or partner.  If you date enough people you will eventually recognize the qualities that come together to define a good fit, someone you want to live with for a long time.   If you have been in business for a few years and think back on all of the clients you have dated, I bet you can filter out the ones worth marrying your business up with. 

 

 

If you would like to attend a workshop offering the insight and information you need to develop a marketing strategy and the tactics needed to redirect the future of your business check out Workshop #2 of 6 titled: "Choosing and Targeting the Right Customers and Project Types for Your Business" of this Contractor Success Program that starts on January 22, 2013.

 


Topics: Starting a Business, Success Strategies, Marketing, Marketing Ideas, Marketing Considerations

Updates on the Dietz Lawsuit About Reviews On Angie's List and Yelp

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Fri, Dec 14,2012 @ 11:39 AM

Updates on the Dietz Lawsuit About Reviews On Angie's List and Yelp


Dietz Development Lawsuit

 

 

 

The recent lawsuit by Chris Dietz of Dietz Development against Jane Perez for her reviews posted to Angie's List and Yelp have captured a lot of attention.   If you are looking for a place to find updates about the Dietz lawsuit I have created a page on my web site to share links to related articles and information.

 


Go to Dietz Lawsuit Updates Page

 (Click here to take the quick Dietz Lawsuit Survey)

 

If you are aware of related and appropriate articles and/or information please email the links for them to me and I will add them to the list included on the page.


Many contractors have suffered unjust negative reviews by disgruntled clients and consumer. This lawsuit may prove to have long term effects for all contractors.  Stay informed so you can learn about and possibly effect the outcome of the lawsuit. 

 


Topics: Legal Related, Dietz Lawsuit Related, Customer Relations

There Is A Place Where Businesses Can Review Bad Customers

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Thu, Dec 13,2012 @ 03:15 PM

There Is A Place Where Businesses Can Review Bad Customers

Dietz Lawsuit

The recent Lawsuit against Jane Perez by Chris Dietz, owner of Dietz Development, has certainly sparked a lot of conversation and opinion on the internet.   I first posted a blog about the Angie’s List and Yelp reviews lawsuit just yesterday and the comments started pouring in right away.   Most were from contractors who expressed their gratitude to Dietz for what he is doing.  Many of these same contractors shared stories of how they too felt they were abused and taken advantage of by unreasonable and what many referred to as “crazy” clients.   One common theme I have picked up in the comments on my site and others is the desire for a web site where business owners can post reviews about bad customers.   So I did some research to see what’s out there and I found two:

 

Rate my Customers

 

Bad Consumers


It appears that Rate My Customers is a free service, but Bad Consumers does charge a fee after a six month free trial.   

I am not recommending or encouraging business owners use either of these services.  My purpose here is to make my readers aware of what’s out there because they asked.

 

Here are a few things you can do at these sites:

  • Post reviews about problem customers and or consumers
  • Tell problem customers and consumers you will post a review about them if they do not work things out with you.
  • Read about what other businesses have posted about consumers and customers before you decide to do business with them or not.
  • Help other businesses avoid the “Customer from Hell”
  • The data base of info at Rate My Consumers can only be searched in alphabetic order by name.   On Bad Consumers you can search by name and zip code.

Dietz lawsuitSuccess Stories might make you feel good about leveling the playing field

Rate My Customers offers a few “Success Stories” from business that used their site.  Here are a couple of examples:


" After seeing my previous post at this website, Mr. C____ contacted us and offered to settle his debt.  We were happy to mitigate late and finance fees and he paid when he said he would. "

“Thanks for your site; the minute this woman saw her name listed on your site she called us and offered to work it out. We finally got paid. Thank You so much!"

“I am a building contractor and was contacted by a person on your "bad customer list" and was concerned about doing business with this person. When I asked him about the complaint that the other contractor reported on your site this person suddenly went crazy and it became obvious to me I did NOT want to business with him. Thanks for your web site, it saved me a big headache I am sure... "


(Click here to take the quick Dietz Lawsuit Survey)


Before You Start Reviewing

I suggest if you want to consider posting a review on either of these sites that you first consider the downstream effects of doing so.   You might want to consult with your attorney first rather than after your review generates push back from a consumer.  Also, keep in mind, if you are a business and a consumer decides to sue you; as a business you will be considered guilty until you prove your innocence.  And, you will have to cover the costs of doing so most likely without the ability to recover your legal costs even if you win.

What do you think? 

Would you post a negative review about a consumer or customer?  If you would, why would you do it; what’s your purpose?

 


Topics: New Business Realities, Questions from Visitors, Success Strategies, Legal Considerations, Customer Relations

Self Quiz To See If A Properly Setup Financial System Can Help You:

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Thu, Dec 13,2012 @ 06:00 AM

Contractors: Try This Self Quiz To See If A Properly Setup Financial System Can Help You:

Properly Setup Financial System for remodelers

 

 

Unfortunately, the facts show that about 85% of residential construction business have no idea what it costs to be in business and cannot properly and accurately track where they are making and or losing money.  If only these contractors had and would use a properly setup financial system they would reduce a lot of the stress related to owning and running a construction or remodeling business.

 

Here are my simple questions for those of you who don’t have an adequate Financial System:

Not sleeping well due to money issues and is it affecting your ability to do your job and have a life?

Properly Setup Financial System for contractors

Would you rather go to bed at night wondering if you’re screwed, or knowing that you’re screwed?


what it costs to be in business as a contractorTake this self quiz to see if a properly set up financial system would benefit you and your business:

  • Do you know if you will make a profit this year? 
  • Do you know how much money will pass through your company at any given time?  
  • Do you always have enough money to pay monthly bills on time or meet payroll (cash flow)?  
  • Do you know whether you are buying rather than selling projects? 
  • Do you know how and when to predict increasing costs of doing business?
  • Do you know what your options are for smart business growth?
  • Are you confident about making it through the current recession?
  • Will you and your business be ready to thrive when the economy turns around and the volume of work picks up?

How did you do?

If you answered no to one or more of these questions, you are definitely not alone.  For many Construction Business Owners financial management skills are not necessarily part of their educational background.  Plus, have you ever tried to get an accountant to explain this stuff to you? 

A properly designed and setup finacial system would give you the ability to answer yes to all of the above.

 

what it costs to be in business as a contractor

 

What are you waiting for?

If you do not have the financial system you and your business needs, ask yourself why.   If you need help setting one up, get the help you need.   If you want to work with someone who can explain things to you in a simple way, help you understand your options and get your system set up; contact me today to discuss your needs.

 

Topics: Business Financials, Financial Related Topics, Earning More Money, Keeping More Money, Business Planning, Self Quizes

Will the Angie’s List Review Battle Benefit Professional Contractors?

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Wed, Dec 12,2012 @ 09:09 AM

Will the Angie’s List Review Battle Benefit Professional Contractors?

Dietz law suitUnless they have been under a rock somewhere, most professional remodelers are now aware of the pending law suit filed by a contractor who believes he and his business was falsely accused on Angie’s List and Yelp of wrong doing by a disgruntled client.  I read the complaint Chris Dietz filed in Fairfax County Circuit Court against his customer Jane Perez.  I also read the interview Leah Thayer of D5R did with Dietz where he shared his side of the story.   Assuming the details in the complaint and Leah’s interview are true, Dietz’s story is one that unfortunately many other contractors can relate to.  The difference is that Dietz stepped up to the plate to do something about it.  He got mad and decided he wasn’t going to take it anymore!

(Click here to take the quick Dietz Lawsuit Survey)

 

I say kudos to Dietz!

Again, I say that assuming he has been honest about his side of the story.

Angie’s List Review BattleHe sets a great example for our industry.   We are professionals and as an industry we need to stand up for what is right.  By what he is doing, and assuming he is successful, he will be establishing a precedence that consumers cannot lie with impunity about their experiences with a professional contractor.  I think it’s great that this woman will now have a taste of what it’s like to be financially challenged to defend herself, a position many contractors find themselves in when consumers sue contractors.

 

In my opinion what is good for the goose is good for the gander!

Jane Perez reviewAccording to Perez the pending court case has left her reeling and potentially facing thousands of dollars in legal bills to defend herself.  She has definitely come to realize the consequences of her actions because Dietz had the guts to stand up for his rights.  Had he not done so she would have established and or helped to maintain a precedence of “let’s bad mouth that contractor so we can blackmail him for the money we owe him”.  She took a calculated risk that Dietz would back down.   If Dietz wins the calculation of risks for homeowners who use such tactics will change going forward. 

 

What ever the outcome, I think consumers will think twice about posting false reviews about contractors.

 

What do you think; is Dietz justified and if he wins will it help other professional remodelers?


Topics: New Business Realities, Legal Related, Dietz Lawsuit Related, Marketing Considerations, Customer Relations

Five Great Books for Remodeling Business Owners

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Sun, Dec 09,2012 @ 06:00 AM

Five Great Books for Remodeling Business Owners

Good books for remodelers

 I have always loved reading to learn about new subjects.  When I was first in business as a remodeler I read a lot of articles in trade magazines.  They offered great ideas, best practices and sample paperwork or forms I could put to use right away.   However, right about the time I sold my business I also started reading books on business related topics.   After reading a handful of titles I came to the realization that the articles in the magazines were helpful and offered individual solutions for a variety of typical business challenges, but the books I was reading offered much broader and more comprehensive views about big picture business strategies and opportunities. 

In many ways the books I read helped me understand how I had grown my business, what made me and my business more successful than many other remodelers and their businesses, and they helped me better understand why my business had salable value beyond just the value of the hard assets.  I quickly came to the realization that, had I read those books much earlier in my career, perhaps I could have increased the level of success I enjoyed.   I also came to realize that I would have dramatically reduced the time it took to build my business had I read those same books when I first started my business.  

Good Good books for remodelersThe books in the list I offer below fall into the top five books I think remodelers should read if they want to grow a successful business and reduce the total time it takes to do so.   More importantly, these books can help remodelers avoid the frustrations, wasted time and wasted money that come with the trial and error approach of going it alone as a business owner.   Even if you still can’t build the business you want on your own after reading these books, you will definitely know what help you will need to get there

 

“The E-Myth Contractor” by Michael Gerber

EMyth Contractor

 

 

This is one of several E-Myth books by Gerber.  They are all worth reading, but if you’re a contractor this one gets right to the point about what you need to do to build a contracting business that runs without you needing to do everything yourself and be there every minute of the day so things get done.   If you ever want to sell your remodeling business, or at least be able to take an extended vacation, make sure you grab this book.

 

“Good to Great” by Jim Collins

Good to Great

 

 

Many business owners are happy having good businesses.  Others decide that their businesses, when compared to other businesses, fall into the good category; a term sometimes referred to as relative success.   If you want more than just a good business Collins and his team has done the research to figure out how it’s done.  He offers some great strategies to consider as well as some great examples of companies and their leaders who made the jump from good to great.  He also shares the importance of and the type of leadership required to achieve greatness.

 

“The Great Game of Business” by Jack Stack

Great Game of Business

 

 If you would like to have an open books business that involves all employees in the creation of and sharing of company profits you should definitely read this book before you do so and well before you start creating your plan.  Not only does Stack share strategies for doing so, he lets you know the challenges to expect, how to get ready for them and how to identify employees who will never go along with the changes.  He also shares a process to use to help educate employees about business financials relative to their job positions, how profits are earned and how they can measure their individual contributions in ways that are real for them.  As I mention in my blog about profit sharing, businesses that share profits often earn more profit as a result!

 

“Selling the Invisible” by Harry Beckwith

Selling the Invisible

 

Back before the September 11th attacks my remodeling business was humming and qualified leads came in faster than we needed them.  Then, after the attacks and up through February, we had only sold about $15,000 worth of new work.   I had to do something to get the business back on track.   That’s when I found “Selling the Invisible” and it changed forever they way I looked at and did marketing.   In his book Beckwick discusses the difference between the “outside perception” people gain of your business from traditional marketing and the difference a business can enjoy if its marketing projects the “inside reality” customers who do business with you come to know.  Customers spend way more money to get something they consider different.  If your business has an inside reality that really differentiates your business from the competition you will not regret reading this book.

 

“Managing for Excellence” by David L. Bradford and Allan R. Cohen

Managing for Excellence

 

There are all kinds of books available on the subject of business leadership and I’ve read at least a handful of them during my career.   In my opinion this is the best book on leadership that I know of.  If you looking to not only be a great leader yourself, but also create a whole team of leaders at your remodeling business this is the book that best describes how.  As a word of caution; if you’re afraid that one of your employees might become a better leader than you, don’t bother getting this book.  As you will learn in the book, the only way you can become a great business leader and create a great business is to create other leaders who can replace you.  If you want to sell your business someday you need to read this book.

 

Topics: Business Financials, Profit Sharing, Success Strategies, Differentiating your Business, Financial Related Topics, Earning More Money, Marketing, Business Planning, Leadership, Books for Contractors

3 Good and 1 Bad Reason to Offer Profit Sharing Rather Than Bonuses

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Tue, Dec 04,2012 @ 06:00 AM

Three Good and One Bad Reason to Offer Profit Sharing Rather Than Bonuses

Profit sharing for remodelers

 

Often, employees expect to receive a bonus around Christmas time because they have in the past.  When the economy was good and businesses were making money, it was easy and felt good for the employer to give out bonuses.  And, employees typically feel if they worked hard they deserve a bonus.  The problem with that method is that in tough economic times when profits are small or even non-existent, the employees still expects bonuses.   Employers who put themselves in this position can be extremely challenged trying to explain why they are not giving out bonuses even if employees had been working really hard.  To avoid the the challenges that come with bonuses remodelers can consider offering profit sharing instead.

Employee Bonuses vs. Profit Sharing; What’s The Difference?

Profit sharing can be used and offered for a variety of reasons.  Profit-sharing plans can be a great way to improve and keep employee morale, loyalty, and retention up.  They are also a good way to motivate employees in participating in earning and protecting company profits because as part of the plan they have a vested interest in doing so.    

Three Good Reasons to offer profit sharing

profit sharing plan for remodelersReason #1: Some profit sharing plans have to do with creating retirement plans for employees.  Remodelers who have the ability to offer such plans can take advantage of them to attract good employees.   Most remodeling businesses do not offer retirement plans, so if yours does you might be able to grab the “cream of the crop” to enhance your team.  Also, properly designed profit sharing retirement plans can even help keep employees working at the business long term by including a vesting schedule that requires the employee to be at the business for a certain amount of time before all or portions of the money shared becomes theirs.   If you would like to use this type of profit sharing plan one of your first decisions should be whether to set up the plan yourself or to consult a professional or financial institution for help with establishing and maintaining the plan.  I recommend getting help due to the complexity of legal and tax considerations.

Using profit sharing to increase profitsReason #2: A smart remodeling business owner understands that employee performance is tied directly to how vested they feel to the company they work for. Because they can be a powerful incentive for employees to work harder for the company many remodelers are now beginning to consider profit sharing plans.  By sharing profits earned the plans benefit both the business and the employees.  Employees gain a sense of satisfaction from knowing they'll all get a cut of the profits.  For the business, it's also likely that the added productivity will increase the overall financial performance of the company.  Basically, if the business earns more profit, and the amount shared back with employees is less than the extra amount earned, sharing some with employees is a no brainer.

Team Work CultureReason #3:  By creating and offering a profit sharing plan a business can change the culture from "let’s just get it done" to how do we get it done and maximize profits at the same time.  As long as employees have a way to understand how profits are earned and can then measure how their efforts impact the company’s bottom line, the business can create a culture where the entire team feels and believes “we are all in this together” and everyone involved is focused on profit.   An additional benefit of such a culture is that vested employees start holding other employees accountable to contributing towards profitability.

Now the bad reason...

Profit sharing options

 

 

The success of a profit sharing plan lies in the details.  Many remodeling businesses struggle to determine a good profit sharing strategy, often because the business and or the business owner don’t fully understand how to predict and or measure true profitability.  If the business or the owner doesn’t understand the profitability concept, it’s also likely that the business’ financial system is not adequately setup to accurately measure profits.  The business' financial system should also be set up to provide reporting in a simple and easy to understand format so as to help both the owner and employees determine the amounts that will be shared. 

 

When an inadequate financial system exist results can include:

  • The owner struggles to explain the plan to employees
  • Employees struggle to understand the plan
  • Employees are challenged to understand how they can actually affect profits
  • Employers and employees can’t reliably measure the effects of their efforts

Profit sharingWhen some or all of the above happen:

  • Employees lose trust in the employer
  • Employees lose motivation to participate in the plan
  • Good employees looking to share in the profits leave the business.

If your business doesn't have an adequate financial system, or you and/or your managers don't understand your financial system, it might do more harm than good to offer a profit sharing incentive.  That being the case maybe its best to stick with using bonuses where the business and or the owner can decide the criteria for how often and how much an employee gets as a bonus.

Need help?

If you’re looking to start a bonus or profit sharing plan at your remodeling business give me a call or shoot me an email.   I can help you develop a plan that works for your business as well as your employees.  Businesses that share profits often earn more profit as a result!

 

 

 

Topics: Profit Sharing, Success Strategies, Financial Related Topics, Retirement Planning

Employee Bonuses Vs. Profit Sharing; What’s The Difference?

Posted by Shawn McCadden on Sun, Dec 02,2012 @ 06:00 AM

Employee Bonuses Vs. Profit Sharing; What’s The Difference?

Christmas bonus

 

 

 

Every year a good number of businesses give their employees bonuses right around the first of the year, often right at Christmas time.   Other companies offer profit sharing, typically distributed around the beginning of the New Year, but after the business has had time to review their accounting and access true profits for the previous year.  It’s important for both businesses and employees to understand the difference between the two.  

 

Let’s define and look at some of the differences between a bonus and profit sharing. 

Employee Bonus:

Bonus vs profit sharingBonuses are compensation for employees for work performed; they are paid in addition to salary or wages.   Often business owners give out bonuses without any structured plan or objective method for determining the amount or even how the bonus can actually be earned.  Although typically given out around Christmas time, bonuses can be given out any time of the year.  

Bonuses are typically used and are a good way to recognize special efforts or performance by individual employees.   For example if an employee comes up with a good idea that saves the company a lot of money and or time, that employee might be given a monetary bonus as a reward.   The amount of the bonus is typically left up to the employer, but can also be based on some type of pre-established formula where the employee gets a certain percentage of the actual savings.

Bonuses are considered compensation if (per the IRS) they "arise out of an employment relationship or are associated with the performance of services." Bonuses are considered taxable to the employee and are considered an expense of doing business.  In most cases, bonuses are a tax benefit to the employer.

Profit Sharing

Profit sharing plan for remodelersProfit Sharing is an arrangement between an employer and an employee in which the employer shares part of its profits with the employee. The key difference between a bonus and profit sharing is that there must be profit before any is shared with the employee.  

As payment under a profit sharing plan, employees can be given stocks or bonds, or cash (cash profit sharing plan).  If the profit-sharing dollars are part of an employee's retirement plan (deferred profit sharing plan), they are received at retirement rather than now, and depending on the retirement plan they may be tax-deductible. There can be eligibility requirements for profit-sharing plans.  For example, the employee may be required to work for the company for a certain period of time before he or she can partake in profit-sharing.

Three Good and One Bad Reason to Offer Profit Sharing Rather Than Bonuses

 

 

Other Business Considerations:

Taxes on remodelersKeep in mind that depending on how a bonus or profit sharing is distributed the employer may incur additional costs over and above the dollar amount given to the individual employee.   Depending on the employment relationship the company has with the employee, the business may incur the expense of payroll related taxes, liability insurance and/or workers compensation insurance on the dollars paid to employees.   Its best to consult with your accountant regarding the total cost of offering a bonus or profit sharing plan before discussing with or offering either to employees.

Also, it’s a good idea to let employees know they too may have to pay payroll and income taxes on any bonuses or profit sharing they receive.

Need help?

If you’re looking to start a bonus or profit sharing plan at your remodeling business give me a call or shoot me an email.   I can help you develop a plan that works for your business as well as your employees.  Businesses that share profits often earn more profit as a result!

 

 

Topics: Profit Sharing, Success Strategies, Financial Related Topics, Retirement Planning, Definitions