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One Person’s Opinion: This is a guest blog submitted by Ray Douglas to express his opinion.  Ray is a remodeling contractor in Brodhead, Wisconsin and has been in business for 34 years. He comments and contributes to RRPedia quite often.  If you would like to express your opinion or offer something of value for RRPedia visitors let me know.

 

 

   

Was RRP Created for the Right Reasons?  

The EPA had good reasons and intentions at first to study the effects and causes of elevated blood lead levels, but the levels of EBLL’s in children ages 6 and under dropped dramatically in years 1997-2007. Data from the CDC documents the drop. 

 

Drop in EBLL's

 

So common sense and logic would say this problem was correcting itself without this new rule.  So what is the reason for RRP?

The EPA has been working for years on the effects of remodeling and renovation in connection with EBLL’s.  The EPA’s Proposed RRP Rule issued on January 10, 2006 describes how some of their research was conducted.  

Money spent on RRP ResearchIn a document dated December 1998 EPA received a study that “was funded and managed by the US Environmental Protection Agency.”   I suspect EPA spent millions if not billions of taxpayer dollars on research, studies, the writing of and implementation of the RRP rule.

But something happened along the way and EBLL’s in children 6 and under dropped dramatically.  So why did EPA go ahead with the RRP?  In my opinion one of two things happened. 

  1. EPA didn’t notice EBLL’s were dropping      
  2. EPA knew the levels were dropping, but had to justify all the taxpayer money they had already spent. 

The EPA couldn’t go back to congress and tell them most of the money they spent was a waste because the problem was correcting itself.

So what did EPA do?  Create the RRP.  Why?  In my opinion I think it was to justify taxpayer money spent and to create a need for future EPA growth.   A similar situation would be like a department in industry that doesn’t use its entire operating budget in a year.   The next year the budget gets cut (layoffs etc), so the department finds a way to use the money whether it is productive or not, so they don’t have to face a budget cut the following year.

Education and public awareness were keys to EBLL’s dropping, but that may have been problematic for the EPA.  If education and public awareness were enough to reduce the problem then the EPA could potentially lose some of its congressional funding.   But by creating RRP, EPA takes a problem that was solving itself---creates regulations to solve it---then those regulations in themselves become a problem----therefore giving EPA a reason for its own existence and more congressional funding.

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Where I live, you could use the existing chart, make slight changes to the data definitions and you would have a snapshot of the remodeling business. 
Simply replace "number of children tested" with "Sales volume of NON certified firms" and replace "EBLL'S" with "sales volume of certified firms" I believe they would track so close it's scary.  
Because I followed the rules and complied, my business has taken a nose dive. I haven't done a RRP job despite my training. Why on earth would anyone want to spend 300% more when they a) haven't even heard about the new EPA rules b) don't know or even know of anyone that has ever been affected by lead paint c) I'm the only one around that tries to educate people and lose credibility in doing so when there are jobs going on all around but no one is complying. Since there is no enforcement and the homeowner has no liability why would they spend more? 
Those of us that spent the money to be certified on time and follow the rules are ending up being penalized. I am not willing to risk $37,500 per day to work. Unfortunately, I had that epiphany after certification.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:44 AM by Jonathan
This will probably not go over well but the graph used does not have enough information in it to tell us anything. As an old time math geek we used to say figures never lie but liars figure. It is possible to easily take the data and manipulate it to give us the answer we want.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:47 AM by Tom
Tom, I suggest you could look at the basis of the data by clicking on the link in a paragraph just above the chart. At the link you can also find the stats by state for the same time period.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:28 AM by Shawn McCadden
Which children are being tested? My understanding of the government testing practices are that the tests are being done on low income children getting into school. Not the same group that we provide remodeling services to. Although interesting to see that there is a drop in leaded kids I believe that is a direct result of a decreasing amount of lead in our environment IE eliminating lead form automobile fuel, ammunition,fishing weights,tire weights, water and paint just to name a few. unfortunately no one wants to offer up their kids to be tested during a dusty remodeling project in a leaded home. The goal of RRP is to assure dustless demolition and cleaning or clearance verification. kinda makes sense to me when you think about it.
Posted @ Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:47 AM by Joe Levitch
Some good points Joe. I know testing requirements for EBLL's varies from state to state. Wouldn't it make sense to test all kids for lead? That way the EPA and others would have real data to use when addressing where to prioritize efforts to reduce lead poisoning. Did EPA use an inadequate test sample when they looked at EBLL's in children and used that info to justify the RRP in the preamble? If so, then won't any stats regarding the effectiveness of the RRP over time also be compromised and or useless in terms of measuring any anticipated results?
Posted @ Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:56 AM by Shawn McCadden
Here is another thought. Unless someone tests everything that child had touched or consumed how can it be an accurate test showing remodeling is the culprit? Even by following the rules--unless you did a blood test on every member of customers family before you start a job--and then put customers in a controlled environment where everything they touched or ate was tested for lead could you only be safe. I find it hard to imagine that when a child has ebll's and health official checks up on it, that they could document and test everything that child touched or ate. Where did all that lead go that was in gasoline? How much water goes through lead piping?
Posted @ Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:44 PM by Ray
Although I think it is the right thing to do. ie. dust protect and clean up properly. I do think this whole RRP rule was put in place as another way to raise revenues without actually increasing taxes. Why do you think certain states took control so quickly. A new revenue stream w/o adding any additional infrustructure. It has been shown that most lead paint poisonings are done by homeowners doing thier own work on the cheap. Education of parents, homeowners, landlords,in my opinion, should be the target of governmment not putting a huge $$ burden on responsible remodlers and construction workers. I also think the increase in lead levels in children has more to do with more effective testing than anything else
Posted @ Thursday, January 20, 2011 3:15 PM by TJ
TJ I agree totally. One of my customers asked the Dept of Health Services what the fine money would be used for. Their reply was that fine money was going to be sent to State treasure and used for school funding. One would think that if need for this rule is so great, that they would use fine money to educate the public about this rule or the dangers of lead poisioning. By not doing that it sure looks like a money grab that is hidden behind the guise of protecting the public.
Posted @ Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:25 PM by Ray
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