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Is EPA Not Listening Or In Denial About The Effects of  RRP Rule?

Remodelers across the country have been complaining about the additional costs related to the EPA RRP rule. As predicted by many trade groups and individual commenters during the comment period before the rule was promulgated, the additional costs to comply with the rule have created a significant pricing divide between those businesses complying with the rule and those that are not. As a result, and again as predicted by many commenters, this has lead to an increase in illegally performed renovations, as consumers, motivated by price, are ignoring the dangers of lead paint and opt to hire contractors who are not abiding by the rule. Under the rule, a renovator can be fined up to $37,500 for willful and knowing violations of the rule, and can even face jail time. Unfortunately, there is no legal consequence to a homeowner for hiring an illegally operating firm, even if the consumer is aware of the rule and its requirements.

The Bid

Facts show that the EPA has, for the most part, ignored predictions, insight and feedback from the regulated community; both during the comment period before the rule was promulgated and since the rule took effect on April 22, 2010.

Here is an excerpt from the preamble of the final rule that demonstrates EPA’s disregard for the concerns of the businesses regulated by the RRP Rule:

“It is difficult to determine with any amount of certainty whether this final rule will have unintended consequences. However, EPA agrees that it is important to minimize disincentives for using certified renovation firms who follow the work practices required by this rule. EPA also agrees that practicality is an important consideration. Given the relatively low estimated overall average per-job cost of this final rule, which is $35, and the relatively easy-to-use work practices required by this final rule, EPA does not expect the incremental costs associated with this rule to be a determinative factor for consumers. However, that relatively low cost has resulted in part from EPA's efforts to contain the costs of this rule in order to avoid creating disincentives to using certified renovation firms, and EPA has viewed the comments received with those considerations in mind.”

EPA not listeningIt would seem from reading the above text that EPA did not listen to the many commenters who sited additional costs well beyond EPA’s estimated average additional cost of $35.00. The text also shows that the EPA rationalized that consumers would not be inclined to avoid working with a certified firm based on such a small price difference. Was their math wrong? Are they oblivious to the real costs reported by those doing the work now that the rule is in place? Have they done any research to determine if the rule has had any unintended consequences? Or, are they willfully ignoring the true realities and effects of the additional costs to comply?

In a recent article from NWTN Today, published on December 31, 2010, Steve Owens, Assistant Administrator of the Office of Prevention, Pesticides and Toxic Substances at the EPA offered the following. It certainly proves that despite evidence to the contrary, EPA is still not listening to the regulated community or is still in denial:

“Getting lead-safe certified is it the right thing to do for contractors, their customers, and their employees, and especially for the children who spend time near spaces that are being renovated,” said Owens. Owens says that the EPA is mindful of the small added costs that may result from complying with this important rule. To that end, he said the EPA is launching a consumer campaign designed to raise awareness of the dangers of lead paint poisoning, and encourage consumers to choose only contractors who are Lead-Safe Certified"

Effects of the RRP RuleDon’t get me going about the “Small added costs” and that the EPA plans to “encourage” consumers to choose only contractors who are Lead-Safe Certified. Wouldn’t it have made sense and have helped those businesses complying with the rule to have done the outreach and education before and as the rule went into effect? Wouldn’t have made sense to “require” consumers choose only contractors who are Lead-Safe Certified?

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If the EPA really wanted to know how much more complying with RRP Lead Paint Laws costs they could just do study involving reviewing the line item bids of lead safe contractor's bids. They are lost in the Twilight Zone however. How about the headaches of replacing 22 old wood windows from a 1940's house. Properly contain all paint chips, dust, and carefully dispose of it. Materials for lead safe operations: $850, Extra labor over and above the old way of dealing with the demolition: $ 2800. Additional Paperwork:$250. Added equipment: $400. That equals $4400. On a job like this I did recently, a contractor started a big demolition on a house next door.. a project that I bid. He did no RRP approved demolition and instead just blew it out like in the old days. I had bid the job next door and didn't get it. Did I call the EPA snitch line?... well, NO. My sense is that when you try to explain the added costs, the customers just don't get it. Best to eat the $4000 or get another line of work.... EPA's estimate of increased cost: $35. The kind of people that work for the EPA and write this nonsense are completely incompetent. They live in an abstract world that has no basis in reality. Of course, they would never admit it...!
Posted @ Sunday, January 09, 2011 4:21 PM by R. Clegg- California Bay Area Contractor
shawn do you no if nahb&nari is going to court in feb to opose epa rrp or do you no when the date they will be going to court to fight this do you think they have a chance to over turn this opt out or re wright this not as stricted
Posted @ Sunday, January 09, 2011 4:37 PM by paul k
This is what us bad guys have said from the start (me)! 
Unfortunately a bunch of (good guy) contractors said what a great idea this was (them)! 
This is one time I wish I wasn't right. 
Groups like NARI at first crowed about how their members would gain respect and market share from informed consumers, Ha! Still waiting for that one. I drive by their members jobs everyday and few are following the rules. 
Its time to get some voices and actions behind this mess, its time the real thinkers and doers help the industry. This whole RRP thing is a goofy mess supported by shortsighted knee jerk namby pamby's. 
This rule as written will have dire consequences on the housing and remodeling industry, except maybe the higher end market. 
Paul Lesieur
Posted @ Sunday, January 09, 2011 4:47 PM by Paul Lesieur
has any one tried calling or wrighting there senaters i have called scott browns office no one there knew what i was talking about every one that reads this get off your ass and pick up the phone it is not like it is very busey out there and we are working 8 days a week or should i say dont get off your ass and try driving a cab for a living
Posted @ Sunday, January 09, 2011 4:58 PM by paul k
hey lefty your right must have been all the paint chips i inhaled while pulling all the side stops and cutting head stops with out my dathbama suit on sounds to me like you must where the super epa princess pelosi suit with the anti obama repelant that is barbara boxer approved if not your 37,000 large in hepa hole
Posted @ Sunday, January 09, 2011 8:21 PM by paul k
Well then Lefty, you probably have half a brain, so what would you suggest?
Posted @ Monday, January 10, 2011 6:42 AM by Paul Lesieur
Seeing as several of you have commented to lefty, I should let you know I deleted his comment due to an unacceptable reference. Here is the edited text of his message, less the reference: 
 
@ Sun January 09, 2011 @ 06:19 PM lefty (rclegg2003@yahoo.com) said... 
"...re wright this, not as stricted, opose, or do you no, wrighting there senaters, it is not like it is very busey out there. " Mt centimints exactymenty.....  
 
Could someone with even half a brain please weigh in here...!?!  
Posted @ Monday, January 10, 2011 7:06 AM by Shawn McCadden
Shawn's last paragraph is the crux, for me." Wouldn’t it have made sense and have helped those businesses complying with the rule to have done the outreach and education before and as the rule went into effect? Wouldn’t have made sense to “require” consumers choose only contractors who are Lead-Safe Certified?" 
 
Right now we have (at least in Santa Cruz County) probably 75% of contractors non certified. 
If EPA had made it mandatory to hire approved contractors, then this would have a better chance of working... so the responsibility gets shared by the customer. Prices go up substantially and it further depresses the housing industry as less and less consumers feel they can afford home improvement 
projects. It's pretty tough to reverse engineer this mess. If the gov;t builds a fighter jet and it doesn't work, they mothball it and start over. That is what needs to be done with this. These regulations will be around for decades so they need to get it right. 
I doubt they give a d#mn though. Maybe the Feds should fund the counties to educate and enforce this... this might be more effective than the dysfunctional mega bureaucrat EPA approach. Shawn, what is the right way to go?
Posted @ Monday, January 10, 2011 7:54 AM by lefty
Recently I was at a friends in southern Michigan, he is a certified lead abatement contractor. He is currantly working on homes that all have been tested and are lead positive, There is federal money involved with the work to there is lead inspectors involved for the testing and the clearance at the end of the job. He told me there is absoloutly no lead safe work practices what so ever going on. The inspectors and local officials are only concerned with the time it takes to get the work done and as long as they pass their clearance at the end good enough. The EPA can't keep the public safe with out some kind of enforcement. A tatal tale line is not the answer. The company I'm working for has a store front and most of our work is window and door instalation in older homes, we feel we must be compliant to protect our selves & to protect the public. I'm not sure what all the answers are but if they expect this rule to work they need to figure out how they are going to enforce it.
Posted @ Monday, January 10, 2011 8:00 AM by Brian
Another excellent blog Shawn. I DID call and write my Senators, and Congressman before the RRP went into effect. The response I got was a copy of a letter from EPA citing the same ridiculous Cost estimate. 
I would also point out that those of us who have chosen to comply with this Rule were already in price competition with "Contractors" who were cutting corners on Permits, WC insurance, etc. This RRP rule made this competition much more one-sided and will Increase Lead Poisoning because more Homeowners will be doing the work theem selves or hiring non-certified contractors. This was pointed out to the EPA and they have ignored it.  
Keep up the good work!
Posted @ Monday, January 10, 2011 9:05 AM by Will Stanton
Lefty, you asked: Shawn, what is the right way to go?  
 
I like something you said: "If the gov;t builds a fighter jet and it doesn't work, they mothball it and start over. That is what needs to be done with this." 
 
Perhaps, just like the health care bill, EPA had to pass the RRP so we (and they) would all know what's in it. Now that we all know, and know the unintended effects, perhaps like the health care bill, maybe we can propose they repeal it and start over.  
 
The city of Boston reduced the number of children poisoned by lead by 97% between 1993 and 2010, all without RRP. I'm not saying we should do away with RRP all together, but I am saying that the solution should look at the big picture and maybe like Boston has done here in MA, the EPA could come up with a much more effective plan to reduce lead poisoning in children. I think the RRP as written is an outdated solution searching for a problem....
Posted @ Monday, January 10, 2011 4:17 PM by Shawn McCadden
The city of Boston reduced the number of children poisoned by lead by 97% between 1993 and 2010, all without RRP. I'm not saying we should do away with RRP all together, but I am saying that the solution should look at the big picture and maybe like Boston has done here in MA, the EPA could come up with a much more effective plan to reduce lead poisoning in children. I think the RRP as written is an outdated solution searching for a problem... 
 
 
 
And that goes right along with the CDC chart showing lead levels in children have decreased---all with out this new rule. In my opinion what I think happened with this mess is that EPA has been working on this for years---when they first started lead levels were high. But something happened along the way and lead levels dropped dramatically and EPA 1. Either didnt notice they were dropping or didnt care. 2 Or knew full well the levels were dropping but had to justify the millions if not billions of dollars it spent on research, studies etc and the implentation of this rule that they couldnt go back to congress and say geez all the money we spent was a waste cause the problem is correcting itself without us implenting new rules. A similar situation would be like a department in industry that doesn,t use all their operating budget in a year. The next year it gets cut--so the department finds a way to use the money whether it is productive or not so they dont face a budget cut the following year.  
 
I have written all my state and federal govt representatives--and encourage everyone to do so--cause one thing they know if you are going to take time to write you are very likely to take time to vote!! Every letter I send, I always include CDC chart showing declines.
Posted @ Monday, January 10, 2011 7:56 PM by Ray
Why is this a political debat over left and right? I don't get it. I have said from the start, it has nothing to do with protecting kids from lead dust, (80% + of lead poisonings are do-it yourself homeowners)it is all about increasing revenues. Our taxes are not all that is increasing. all our fees and anything that they can increase they do. This was some pencil pusher at a desk with a great idea how to ring more money out of us.
Posted @ Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:28 PM by TommyO
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